ANSWERS: 4
  • 6/16/2025, Israel has been attacking Iran with airstrikes. 406 Iranians have been killed, 654 wounded and counting. Israel can't allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons. I don't think American soldiers are not needed. All Israel needs is US substantial support. If Iran retaliates and bombs US bases in the region, that would be a big mistake. The Ayatollah regime would come to an end. In fact, that's what many Iranians want - to break free from their cursed Religion: https://youtube.com/shorts/7qnXOxolFVI?si=ojnIzPVHuyiSyQHC
    • ★Stevo
      How many muslims in your country have changed religion I doubt many have that have come here. most have had children and made more.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      ...and poison their children with the Quran. If nothing gets done, Sharia law will spread. Muslims laughed on 9/11: https://youtube.com/shorts/TJWioi-YhkQ?si=IxtyOyONVU7foa4D
    • ★Stevo
      Who was reasonable for 9/11? Lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Who was responsible for the US Embassy hostage crisis in 1979? Also, who shouts Death to Israel and America? Furthermore, who is the country in the Middle East that sponsors terrorism? There's your truth based on your question of: "As Israel has started a war do you want the US to join in and help them?" I have spoken.
    • ★Stevo
      you weren't even born in 79 and you want revenge very christian of you isn't it? The entitlement of a jew it wants others to fight its war.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      The 911 palestine clip is a fallacy, some footage was of the people were being handed out sweets etc, by westerners, nothing to do with 711. It was recorded by Reuters in East Jerusalem, and they retracted what they'd said even though the news didn't. It's not unusual for Palestinians to act this way in front of television crews. I remember they actually had the real unedited footage of this showing the handing out of flags and sweets, but much has been deleted from 911 news and footage. September is the 7th month Oct is the eighth, hence tower 7 felll with the twins. Check out the 5 dancing Israelis on 711/911. https://youtu.be/yLnKiTmO64c?si=7m5zorX2ZexRII49 https://retroreport.org/video/the-secret-c-i-a-operation-that-haunts-u-s-iran-relations/
    • ★Stevo
      In western Sydney the story of the shriek of muslin women celebrating when they heard about 9/11 on the radio was told it didn't happen I believed it for years thou. When you think about it 9/11 happened at approx 2am our time, most of us were asleep and found out as our day started..
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      I saw it on tv, but I remember there was lots of footage, I saw the original debunk of that footage, the Palestinians were being giving flags and sweets, by Westerners it wasn’t a massive group of them either.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      You don't see this on mainstream tv though https://youtu.be/UqXvc_wL8Xg?si=-pGE21EYOhTuo8p1 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/15/which-iranian-oil-and-gas-fields-has-israel-hit-and-why-do-they-matter https://atmos.earth/this-genocide-is-about-oil/ https://youtube.com/shorts/r2sdGG6Lp1M?si=8yRvTJ1yxMxisaMp https://youtu.be/tVwLwxZqDCA?si=9suC9zBkQBIuNSH9
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      The Jewish flag was a Menorah, 7-9 candles representing the planets, the star is zionism, which is a political movement, that star has much older roots than Judaism. https://youtu.be/QulVK3lkVdI?si=nlRIkg1I9_dXyRAB https://youtu.be/QulVK3lkVdI?si=nZjA9h5XHPq3jw3x
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      stevo, I wasn't born in 1979? That's why the internet, history books and documentaries exist, including movies. Check out Argo (2012): https://youtu.be/T29kIOXpj6o?si=6SaguTvcSZkBAAAm Not very Christian? Think again, Iranians also persecute Iranian Christians. There are so many reasons why the US wants to take out Iran. Who has been arming Hamas? Who has been arming Hezbollah? Who has been arming the Houthis? Who burns American flags? Who is unpredictable if they get a hold of nuclear weapons? I can keep going with questions.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, quote: "The 911 palestine clip is a fallacy, some footage was of the people were being handed out sweets etc," You are so full of it with your Free Palestine propaganda. Palestinians will be free alright, but from Hamas - a terrorist organization that you support. The video of Palestinians laughing at 9/11 couldn't be a fallacy, since Palestinians hate Americans and Israelis. Palestinians were also dancing on the streets and celebrating on October 7, 2023: https://youtube.com/shorts/cZw_iF4gPt0?si=8vLmH13a5VQEEkc9 Where Palestinians celebrating on October 7 too because of free candy?????????????? Your argument doesn't hold water. Epic fail.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, to your link of 5 Israelis dancing to 9/11, there are also sell out Israelis who support Palestinians: https://youtube.com/shorts/HH0Lr2nM2qY?si=06ZDElJCEUyHgpSR
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, quote: "I saw it on tv," What you saw is propaganda to make it seem as if Palestinians are peaceful people. Anybody who supports Hamas and Al Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks are terrorists.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, in your last two links, now you are going off topic.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, have you been protesting on the streets with Palestinians? Or how do you contribute for their liberation, other than spread BS? It is not working for you, neither for Palestinians. LOL
    • ★Stevo
      getting revenge for something that happened in 1979 then expecting others to forgive.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      No I haven't been protesting on the streets for Palestine, is that all you have ridicule? That's your argument? I disagree with Israel and the West invading the middle east, killing its people, and children, to install their own democracy and to steal their oil, natural gas and materials. The middle east should be paid for this. This is a bankers war, nothing to do with Jews. Bankers don't care about Jews neither, do they do they care about their own citizens, send them off to fight their wars, like pawns in a game of chess, then tax their own people to fund them wars. It's so easy for the media and politicians to manipulate westerners into "divide and conquer," mentality, rarely does anyone look into it themselves. They use militia in the oil fields etc of the middle east, they arm them, then they battle and kill eachother for the domination of the oil for their western and eastern masters, where do you think these groups come from? Who do you think arms them? The middle east need a stabilised government, but when you have the west exploiting them for not having one, this is what happens. They need to be left alone, do you think the West will leave the middle east alone, if they don't want Western "democracy," (ie debt and tax slavery). Do you think they will fairly pay them for their oil , and gas etc?Problem is the middle east don't want to be westernised, and unless they go along with the global agenda, they will continue to be ridiculed and demonised in the media, so that the bankers can hide behind these demonic uncivilised Muslims, and war on terror. https://youtu.be/iwKUIOZuGQI?si=Ikopym8908ZwncVE https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/06/13/what-the-israel-iran-war-means-for-oil-prices When will we learn, how many times do we have to invade the middle east? https://youtu.be/0ctEQqlf2xw?si=jL2M_xX_-3YL5nd https://youtu.be/be7x-BbDyBo?si=prCjKPn-mkzEqRYx https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/23/can-iran-really-shut-down-the-strait-of-hormuz https://www.newarab.com/analysis/how-war-between-israel-and-iran-could-impact-oil-prices https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06/21/irans-oil-lifeline-severed-tehrans-exports-plummet-by-over-90/ https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/06/20/energy-in-europe-is-also-at-stake-as-israel-iran-tension-escalates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_in_the_Gaza_Strip#:~:text=The%20two%20Gaza%20Marine%20fields,territories%2C%20with%20potential%20to%20export. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/a-f52a-veterans-toss-their-medals-in-disgust-1
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      Here's the link that Israel was funding Hamas to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ And Palestine were promised their own state. Yet still, families, children are killed. Of course if a person has dehumanised Palestinians, then it won't matter to them. https://youtu.be/cxGZ7fGqHYg?si=kNK-Nv5Thh7a_eu4
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Stevo, you are repeating yourself like a broken record. Do you have anything constructive to add to the table? Try answering the questions I asked. There are many questions I asked to choose from.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, as far as the AB'ers know, you can be a Palestinian living in the UK. Your English grammar is terrible by the way. It figures you cannot be a traditional British person. It is for a good reason that Israel and the West are invading the Middle East. When you have countries like Iran shouting Death to America and Israel, they certainly have to be stopped. Then there's Hamas who has kept the Israel-Hamas war going for nearly 2 years now (due to), Hamas has not released all the hostages. Israel has every right to take over Gaza, but that's only if Trump does not acquire Gaza first as he wants to. Don't worry about which country uses what or who is killing each other. It does not change the fact that Israel has the right to defend itself from terrorists, and terrorists in whom Palestinians voted for. Your epic fails again.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, is that the best argument you have? Looking for reasons for Palestinians to get their own state? It's not happening. Hamas's actions have severely damaged the Gazan economy and led to increased conflict and restrictions. Trump also wanted to turn Gaza into the Riviera of the Middle East: https://youtu.be/wQvAAMsr5Dk?si=fByQv8UIZAbbbkbW Gazans reject the idea, cause you know well they want to keep terrorizing Israelis: https://youtu.be/N_KlXlG3WXc?si=sfe62LyAuUmVMfXK https://youtu.be/Rrr-c5vmPyA?si=_IxNwrlXDfUdFofA https://youtu.be/gyI3AJ2OGbw?si=cZVNybOio_210uhR Those are a couple out of hundreds of videos. And you want Palestinians to get their own state? You have got to be joking.
    • ★Stevo
      WTF Hamas's actions have severely damaged the Gazan economy ? Blowing the shit out of the place didn't damage the economy? What did you learn at college how to repeat propaganda?
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      You've got personal now Jenny, which I find completely unnecessary, it's where I draw a line, (that and name calling), it only lowers the tone, I find your behaviour disgraceful and insolent, your attitude is clearly fanatical, I won't be engaging any further on this question.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Stevo, that's right. Gaza had a chance to develop its economy. Israelis built factories, greenhouses and farms for them to boost agricultural, food production and generate income. Hamas destroyed everything Israelis built in Gaza and shot all the livestock animals because they wanted nothing to do with Israel. As you know better how earthly people speak, Gazans refused to get help from Israel, so eff them. LOL
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, stop being so sensitive. I never called you names, other than say you support Palestinians, you need to improve on your grammar and I doubt you are a traditional British person. Are you sure you are not from America, specifically Pennsylvania?
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      The problem doesn't lie with me Jenny, it lies with your inability to stay on topic, and subsequent rudeness.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Creamcrackered, stay on topic? Iran, the 1979 Iran hostage crisis, their nuclear plants, Palestinians, Hamas, October 7, Hezbollah, Houthis, Israel and the US bombing Iran and so on that I have brought up are all related to the topic asked by Stevo. Rudeness? Actually, discussions have never been friendly for the reason of, you are against my opinions, and I am against yours. There is no such thing as a friendly discussion when you oppose another person's views, not even do friendly discussions happen in religious categories among religious users. You should know that everyone in a discussion expresses rudeness, just as you did for rudely interfering with the discussion I was having with Stevo. The same stone you try to push rolls back on you.
  • Well then, I didn't want the US to join in, but it looks like we have now. We live in "interesting times". 6/22/25
    • ★Stevo
      Did the bombs achieve anything? this turn out is saying no https://youtu.be/dhCYr9qi988 No radiation leak, no major damage.
    • dalcocono
      I don't know. There are several conflicting stories online. I think all it really accomplished was to garner overt support for the "Islamic republic".
    • ★Stevo
      Ensuring another couple of generations of hatred. its started now.
    • dalcocono
      True, but they were never going to love the "great satan" America anyhow,
  • Why did you leave so quickly, stevo? I haven't even got started and you already left the thread we were having a discussion in? I'll keep checking back.
    • ★Stevo
      I asked I found out what you all think.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Pretty cool, huh? You ask questions to start discussions? I love it. Keep asking them. :D
  • Anyone suffering de ja vu? History of the West and Israel interfering in the middle east, to aid their own interests, including that of oil 1) In 1953, the C.I.A. helped to orchestrate a coup that ousted Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, who was viewed as a threat to Western oil interests. Known as Operation Ajax in the U.S. — British intelligence called it Operation Boot — the plot restored Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, a U.S. ally during the Cold War, to power. C.I.A. backing helped the shah to maintain his grip, and the Carter administration encouraged him to implement reforms. But growing opposition to corruption and the repression of political dissent fueled a 1979 revolution, the overthrow of the shah by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, and the decline of American influence. 2) In 1993, just after the Afghanistan war, Mr Bin Laden was thought of as a romantic figure, a wealthy businessman who had fought Soviet forces alongside the mujahideen — the jihadist forefathers of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. In the UK paper The Independent wrote "Mr bin Laden’s own contribution to the mujahidin — and the indirect result of his training and assistance — may turn out to be a turning point in the recent history of militant fundamentalism. The mujahideen had been funded and courted by the US Government. In 1983, they even scored an invite to the Oval Office by US President Ronald Reagan. The US fanned the flames of militant jihadism a greater threat than communism. Prior to this it had laid dormant for 400 years, but revived by the help of the US in the 80s. Late terrorism expert Eqbal Ahmad warned of jihadism, and the souring of relations with bin Laden as a result of US troops being stationed in sacred Mecca — would come back to bite the US. He delivered his speech in 1998, three years before September 11. The US created US foreign policy created three Frankenstein’s monsters in Iraq: Saddam Hussein, then al-Qaeda, and IS. The US-led war in Iraq destabilised the entire Middle East, creating the extreme conditions in which militant groups like al-Qaeda spread like wildfire, eventually leading to the emergence of ISIS”. When the US was done, when it had set off the process that led to insurgencies, civil wars, the growth of extremist militias, and the collapse of state structures, it had also guaranteed the rise of something new on Planet Earth: ISIS — as well as of other extremist outfits. Was the threat of IS created when the Bush-backed Iraqi coalition authority ousted the Iraqi government, forcing 30,000 members of the military out, to which they had no employment, no income, yet they were left with access to all the same arms and weapons? Jobless, well-trained and very angry former Hussein soldiers joined the ranks of IS. Secret US Intelligence reports although heavily redacted prove either that the US ignored uncanny predictions about the rise of terrorist groups in Syria, such as IS, or entered into a secret alliance to support them against the regime against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. there was no al-Qaeda in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded, and they certainly exploited its existence against other forces, in a drive to maintain Western control. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait — have been said to have financed the terror organisation. 3) Hammas "Islamic resistance movement," founded in 1987, In Palestine uprising against Israeli occupation. The Hammas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin, a half blind disabled cleric, member of Muslim Brotherhood, oppressed by the Egyptians in Gazza, prior to 1967, when Israel invaded the strip, they encouraged and funded them, schools and mosques to undermine the dominant power of the Palestine political force at that time, the Nationalist PLO, at the heart Secular Fatah party, it's leader Yasser Arafat. The Israelis thought they could "divide and rule," the occupied Palestinians. Play them off, Secular against religious. Former congressman Ron Paul did say Hammas is a creature of Israel. Hammas has killed more Israelis than any Secular group, Sheik Yassin was assassinated, by Israeli air strike in Gazza. Israel spent 20 years building Hammas up, and the last 20 years, bombing, blockading and blasting them out of existence.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      Israel has been accused of war crimes dating back to its inception. Anyone can find this online. They have also made land grabs, and annexed land. There was meant to be a two state solution. In 1915 Britain struck a straightforward deal with the sharif of Mecca to lead an Arab revolt against the Ottomans, in return for which, Britain promised to grant an extensive Arab state after the Ottomans were defeated. they've denied it included Palestine, which is said by some to be a pattern of dishonesty. In the wake of this disaster, the British concluded that they had no choice but to strike a deal with Hussein Ibn Ali, sharif of Mecca, a member of the Hashemite family. the sharif would lead an Arab revolt against the Ottomans. In return, Britain promised to grant an extensive Arab state after the Ottomans were defeated. Sir Henry McMahon, high commissioner in Egypt, was given the task of entering into correspondence with the sharif. At the heart of the British deception was a wilful misinterpretation of the word “districts”, which was rendered by the Arab word wilayat in the letters sent by McMahon to the sharif. A very similar word – vilayet – was used by Turkish administrators. It had a subtly different meaning. This difference was cynically exploited by the Foreign Office to exclude all of Palestine from the area assigned to the sharif. In 1920 the Foreign Office invented an Ottoman “Vilayet of Damascus”, the boundary of which stretched 300 miles south to the Gulf of Aqaba. No such province had ever existed. Ottoman administrative districts were very precise geographically. The province included in the fictitious Vilayet invented by Britain was actually called – as any cursory look at an Ottoman map would have established – the Vilayet of Syria. McMahon was not making an innocent mistake when he used the term wilayat in his correspondence. The Egyptian high commissioner knew perfectly what the word meant in Arabic, and what vilayet meant in Turkish. We can be certain of this because alongside wilayat he also used the term vilayet in the correct sense in other parts of the correspondence. Had McMahon specified in his letter that he reserved the whole region to the west of the Vilayet of Syria, then indeed all of Palestine would have been excluded from the deal he struck with the sharif. But he did not. Significantly, McMahon set out these facts in an explanatory letter despatched two days later to the Foreign Office. He told his masters back in London that he had excluded the northern coasts of Syria (modern-day Lebanon) from his offer to the sharif, which by no stretch of the imagination could include the Palestine region, as accepted by the British up until 1920. It was only then that the Foreign Office invented the Vilayet of Damascus. Even at this stage, the Foreign Office was clear there had been no ambiguity in the McMahon correspondence as far as Palestine was concerned. But it needed to adjust to the new political reality of a Lloyd George government that was determined to implement a new pro-Zionist political machinery for Palestine. Over the next 20 years the British government – on 24 separate occasions! – refused to publish the sharif/McMahon correspondence in the face of Arab and other demands. Arnold Toynbee, a Foreign Office official during the First World War, later wrote that “Palestine was not excepted from the area in which the British government promised in 1915 to recognise and uphold Arab independence, and that the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was, therefore, incompatible with a previous commitment”. Toynbee added that this deceit “is almost the worst crime of which a professional diplomatist is capable, for it compromises that country’s reputation for straight-dealing”. That wound has been left festering. The sharif fulfilled his part of the agreement, leading a revolt against Ottoman rule in the Hijaz. The British did not
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      Of course some would argue that Britain had no right to hand Palestine to the Sharif of Mecca or the Zionists or the Ottomans because Colonialism is morally wrong. And that the Palestinians had and have a right to self determination.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      Iran doesn't have nuclear missiles, it is claimed that they have stockpiled uranium.Here is link of Council on Foreign Relations https://www.cfr.org/article/what-are-irans-nuclear-and-missile-capabilities However, Israel has a medium amount of Nuclear weapons. The US has a stockpile of 3,700 warheads as of 2025. And there has only been one country that has ever used nuclear weapons. I'm getting the feeling of de ja vu with all of this as you can see why and fearing those "Weapons of mass distraction!" That they found last time they wanted to invade the middle east. "There's nothing new under the sun."
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Because Israel has been accused of war crimes since their establishment in 1948, are you saying it gives Hamas the right to have killed 1,200 Israelis with 250+ Israelis taken hostage into Gaza on October 7, 2023?
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      That is like saying does the violence of October 7th, rectify all the years of human right violations and war crimes, inflicted upon the Palestine people, it's completely nonsensical, and the wrong question, because none of these civilians should be subjected to these levels of violence. and it is this type of lazy thinking that keeps it in perpetual motion.Instead we should be asking, what are we not seeing? How is this repeatedly being allowed to happen? Who is benefitting from this? Here is what happened on Oct 7th https://youtu.be/-mxfnya3ZRc?si=18oTU7kF9ZLSNtL_ https://youtu.be/jwsKBBFG728?si=APKbBdRJkalSdN90
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      It wasn't nonsensical to the Palestinians who celebrated the Hamas attack on October 7. You did not answer my question. It's a simple Yes or No question, being that you are blaming Israel for their war crimes of the past, such as the Tantura, Deir Yassin massacre, Nakba, the seizure of civilian houses and etc. Because this happened, Hamas did the right thing on October 7? To the YouTube videos you added, those news commentators are blind as bats. The whole world saw Hamas-led terrorists launched a major attack on Israel, and they also filmed themselves slaughtering Israelis: https://youtube.com/shorts/8y9rbsBLIjs?si=lon-SCbtVrbcYY3o Hamas admits what they did: https://youtu.be/QIOKfPinpZ4?si=YgQdaeflmGho0VKF What you're trying to cover up just doesn't work.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      Jenny your focus is souly on October 7th, which should not have happened. None of this should of happened. It's devastating for the mums and dads, for the woman raped, for the babies killed, starved, deprived of water, driven from their homes, the whole thing is grotesque, sickening to the stomach. I've seen the photos, the footage. But to have a non predjudiced view, a balanced view, you have to consider both sides. You have to consider patterns that we are not being allowed to see. Ive pointed out the Wests interests in the middle east, their operations to influence the ruling in the middle east, their courting, and arming of jihadist groups in the middle east, that then turn round and bite them in the arse, their preference for religious jihadist over secular in the middle east. It can no longer be denied. Ive pointed out that both the zionists and the Arabs were promised the land in Israel, that the British made alliances with the Arabs in world war 1 and 2, to give them the land. Then not only lied about the deceptive wording, but turned round and gave the land they'd promised, that they'd fought in 2 world wars for, to the Zionist Israelis. And this is what happened when they took that land Jenny, Ill put it at the end, it wasn't peaceful, these people that lived there for thousands of years, were removed from their homes using force, using murder, using poison, war crimes Jenny. But if you keep responding souly shouting 7th Oct, then you are of no help in finding the truth. Until we can see what part we've played in it, it makes it easy to demonise a whole population that were originally driven from their homeland. So when you read this, imagine it happening to you. I get the Jewish people should have a state, but its not religious, the Torah states the Jews are not to return to the land until the Messiah returns, thats what the Orthodox Jews are protesting,but Israel is a secular state, and the Jews and Palestinians should both have a homeland. religious or secular, I acknowledge the problems with religious fundamentalism, but The US and Israel courted the jihadists over the secular leaders, why? All behaviour needs to be brought to the for. Don't see Palestinians, don't see Jews, don't see westerners, see mums, dads, children, because it's the civilians that are suffering, it's us being affec ted, manipulated to pick a side. During the 1948 Palestine war in which the State of Israel was established, around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs, or 85% of the total population of the territory Israel captured, were expelled or fled from their homes. Causes of the exodus include direct expulsions by Israeli forces, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare including terrorism, dozens of massacres, crop burning, water deprivation, and typhoid epidemics in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning. Many historians consider the events of 1948 to fit the definition of ethnic cleansing. Between 10 and 70 massacres occurred during the 1948 war. According to Benny Morris the Yishuv (or later Israeli) soldiers killed roughly 800 Arab civilians and prisoners of war in 24 massacres. 68 villages in which the indiscriminate killing of prisoners and civilians took place while no threat was posed to Yishuv or Israeli soldiers. Israeli soldiers raped Palestinian women in at least a dozen incidents, often murdering their victims afterwards. Most of these occurred as villages were overrun and captured during the Second phase of the Civil War, Operation Dani, Operation Hiram and Operation Yoav. That is how this started and it's gone on since this. Do you have anything useful to add, anything you can see. Apparently the Israelis new about the Oct 7th attack, Hammas was hiding their plans, and they had expeto be shot from the get go. Same as 9/11 there was fireknowledge not acted on. This is often used in warfare.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      My focus is on October 7? That's because it is what started the Israel-Hamas war. None of it shouldn't have happened is not an answer. I can also say the wars of the past to the most recent wars should not have happened either. Everything has a reason. Oh, I've seen what Hamas did on October 7, not just by videos, but by googling images which are graphic. No one here is being prejudiced against Arabs or Hamas. I simply call it how I see it to be fair. I understand what the Wests interests are, and how the US has historically provided extensive support to Israel, including significant military aid. This support has continued during the current conflict with Hamas with the US providing billions of dollars in military assistance and weaponry. Quote: "Ive pointed out that both the zionists and the Arabs were promised the land in Israel, that the British made alliances with the Arabs in world war 1 and 2," It doesn't matter who promised what to a certain people. What matters is, the land of Israel was given by God to the descendants of Abraham. You cannot go around this, cause Jihad terrorists believe they are killing Jews and any other non-believers for a good cause as instructed in the Quran. It turns out it is a religious war between Jews and Jihadists. Palestinians should have their homeland? They had Gaza. And I say (had) because they no longer control the Strip with Hamas who ruined it for Palestinians. Yet again I ask, did Hamas do the right thing in killing all those Israelis on October 7? Maybe then we can get somewhere if you answer the question.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      OK, so this is "religious fanaticalism," OK, I can see why my comments are falling on deaf ears. Can you tell me when the Messiah turned up, I mean the Jewish Messiah? Secondly you do realise Jews live in Iran? That they lived peacefully with Palestinians? Finally, do you know that Israel was founded by Zionists who are atheist not Jewish, as a secular state, not religious?
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      What did you expect? The question in the subject asked is rooted in the Quran. There's certainly a reason why Israel bombed Iran, exactly as I said that the Quran teaches Muslims to hate Jews. Muslim groups and organizations are violent politically and fanatic religiously. Also, Muslims cover their activities by using religious argumentations as an excuse and motivation to their behavior towards the other. This is exactly what you are doing - using excuses to portray Israelis as the bad guys, and Palestinians as the good guys. The Messiah is another subject, but somehow still relevant to the topic, since Religion and Politics are both mixed in to the Middle East conflict. The so-called messiah Jews are waiting for is not of my concern. I'm arguing is it okay for Israel to bomb Iran, should the US get involved, along with, the consequences of terrorist organizations provoking Israel, and what is right and what is wrong. BTW, there is hope for Atheists, but no hope for Palestinians. What Pro-Palestinians like yourself do is a waste of time. Nobody can hear ya to stop the Israel-Hamas war. Think again to see who's deaf. LOL
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      I couldn't hold in the laugh. You are too funny for supporting terrorists. That's right, get angry. LOL
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      Where abouts in the Qumran does it tell Muslims to hate Jews? How are Muslims more fanatical than Christians or Jews? What argumentative, do Muslims use? I haven't sort to portray anything Jenny, as I've kept saying. So you are not concerned about the Jewish Messiah? But you said that the land of Israel is theirs by God's degree, so if they don't believe in Jesus Christ, will they still be saved, are they still God's people? Don't shy away now Jenny, you state they have more entitlement to the land then Muslims but can't quote where, or how? You repeatedly appear to believe all Muslims are terriorists or fundamentalists? Do you know any Muslims? Do you know any religious Jews? Have you ever listened to how Muslims and Jews feel about eachother? What makes Hammas a terriorist organisation and Israel not, what is the difference in behaviour? There is hope for atheists but not for Palestinians? Do you think Jesus would agree with that? I never think it's a waste of time to be pro life over pro death. As I've said I can't see the difference when the behaviour is the same, but clearly in your eyes one terriorist act that kills thousands, including babies, involves rape, trumps another simply because of who they are! Which isn't funny at all! And your religious stance fell apart when you could not answer the question on the Jewish God given right to the land, you appear to be in quite a quandary.
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Muslims have been instructed not to take disbelievers as their friends: Surah Al-Ma'idah - 51 "O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians-they are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people." Fanaticism is an excessive and irrational zeal or enthusiasm, often displayed in religious, political or ideological contexts. Christians are fanatics alright, but they do not take it to the extreme. In other words, Christians don't convert by force as Muslims do. You shouldn't capitalize either the Jewish messiah, since we obviously know he is not the real Messiah, the Savior of the world. All Jews do not have to believe in Jesus as their Messiah. The Bible has spoken in Revelation 7:4-8, 144,000 from every tribe of Israel are saved. That's more than plenty of people for God to protect Israel, which is the case in the Middle East conflict with Arab countries trying to wipe Israel off the map. In my profession of dealing with people on a daily basis, I know some Muslims and some religious Jews. And as the Quran is filled with hate, one simply cannot be a Muslim if they do not adhere to their religious teachings. What's the difference between terrorism among Hamas and Israelis? We're trying to get somewhere in understanding if Hamas was right for slaughtering all those Israelis on October 7. As for Palestinian hope, Zephaniah 2:4-15 foretells Gaza and other Philistine cities will be left abandoned and uninhabitable. This is exactly what is happening in Gaza, being that it has become a wasteland.
    • ⭐️Creamcrackered
      "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God." "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do" Not everyone who says Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, because, 'God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.' And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables," "Christ in you, the hope of glory."
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      I very much agree with Luke 23:34 of Jesus saying to the Father, forgive those who do not know what they say, along with Matthew 7:21, emphasizing that mere verbal profession of faith, saying, "Lord, Lord" is not enough to guarantee Salvation, also, people must humble themselves, including the parables. I'm not the enemy here. If Palestinians had humbled themselves, Gaza would have still been a habitable country to live in: https://youtu.be/5hreBwviw68?si=Pvt3mE7mohChcmBz
    • ★Stevo
      How can you honestly make excuses for murder?
    • 𝘑𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘺 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 ⭐
      Stevo, the same question can be asked to you regarding all the Israelis who were murdered on October 7. What we have here between Israel and Hamas is war. To the victors go the spoils. :D

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